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Samsung X360 13.3in Notebook - Exclusive First Look
| Author | Riyad Emeran |
| Published | 22nd Sep 2008 |
Comments for Samsung X360 13.3in Notebook - Exclusive First Look
Bytes said on 22nd September 2008
xbrumster said on 22nd September 2008
arh.. I can use my air dude chopping veg.
if you can, then we're talking......
Dark of Day said on 22nd September 2008
So Bytes you're basically saying it's identical to the LG p300 because it looks like a laptop and comes with a optical drive?!!
I can't folow the point of the second comment. Macbook Air has a sharp edge and....???
Francesco Mastellone said on 22nd September 2008
Little error: you probably mean that 32bit consumer operative systems can't handle more than 3.2gb of RAM, not gigahertz. Other than that... Wow, I want one.
Andy said on 22nd September 2008
Fixed, thank you. :)
PK Son said on 22nd September 2008
I'm sorry if I sound too much like a Mac fan, (I AM typing this on my macbook) but although the MB air has it's shortcomings, it was revolutionary in it's own sense, and if used as designed, an ultra portable Mac, then I don't see any problems with it.
The old ports (RGB, extra USB, wired LAN, and whatnot) are obsolete, and I think MB air was doing a good job with slowly getting rid of them. Bluetooth works fine, wifi works fine, and as long as you have an adapter, DVI or RGB outputs shouldn't be a problem.
The external ODD being included with the X360 (not the Xbox 360, mind you) is great. Of course. That's a marketing/pricing decision, and I laud Samsung for that.
However, my personal opinion is, the blatant keyboard design copy thrown onto a laptop that reminds me of those awfully ugly IBM thinkpads just doesn't deserve as much of an acclaim as given.
It could be a nice laptop for windows users (hence the name?), but for people who use Macs, it doesn't seem attractive at all. (Leaving OS differences aside.)
Yes, I know most of the world uses Windows, so good on the people who do. The windows version of the MB air sounds about right. (and maybe fairer)
Xiphias said on 22nd September 2008
When I turned to page 3 I tried to clean the fingerprints off my screen, but then I realised they were actually part of the photograph. You'd have to be pretty dedicated to live with that considering the cost of this laptop.
ChaosDefinesOrder said on 22nd September 2008
@PK:
"the blatant keyboard design copy"
By that you mean that the MacBook is blatantly copying the Sony laptops that pioneered the lozenge style keyboard! ;-P (Yes I know the reviewed lappy is also copying, just wanted to set things straight as to the origins of the keyboard design!)
BigBadDave said on 22nd September 2008
@PK Son
The MBAir's achilles heel is battery life. 4 hours at best, then 4 hours to charge up again. Surely an ultraportable shouldn't spend half its life shackled to a mains socket.
Its beautiful, sure, but its a poor ultraportable.
PK Son said on 23rd September 2008
Chaos: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=290 http://digg.com/apple/Sony_Rips_off_MacBook_Design_2
Too bad Sony is getting accused for ripping Apple off if they made the chiclet style keyboards first. I didn't know they did. (I don't think many people do either) but if so, then well, yeah, Samsung can hop on the bandwagon and have the same style keyboards as everyone else, but that doesn't change the fact that the X360 isn't as cool as portrayed in the review.
BBDave : Yes, you can't take out the batteries as you can with the MBs or MBPs, which means there is no way to elongate the battery life, but at that thickness 4 hours is pretty impressive. If you want to be on your laptop during a whole transAtlantic flight, then most rational people would consider bringing the in-flight plug, don't you think? Plus, to be ultra portable shouldn't it be light (and thin)? As long as you have an acceptable battery life then I think it's more than fine. 4~5 hours is about average length of normal batteries, isn't it?
My main point was that the X360 is slightly over-represented in the review.
Also, too many people have fun bashing the MB air, so I just wanted to stick up for it.
Riyad said on 23rd September 2008
PK Son - I don't have fun bashing the MacBook Air, in fact I had wanted it to be good, since I'd love to be using Mac OS instead of Windows. However, it's simply an over priced and woefully under featured device.
Right now for instance I am sitting in a hotel room in Tokyo where there is free Internet access, but only wired not wireless. So, if I had a MacBook Air, I would need to have carried the USB to Ethernet converter with me, but then I wouldn't be able to use my external hard disk and memory card reader at the same time, which I'm doing at the moment. That would mean I'd also have to carry a USB hub with me too. By comparison, my ThinkPad X300 has all the connection options I need built in. As does the Samsung X360.
And yes, an ultra-portable notebook should be light, and the X360 is lighter than the MacBook Air, despite having far more features. Add to that the fact that the Sony TZ is also lighter, smaller and has an integrated optical drive. Oh, and of course the Sony wipes the floor with the Apple when it comes to battery life.
Also, as was already pointed out in these comments, and by me in many reviews, Apple copied Sony for the keyboard design. The VAIO X505VP pioneered the separated key design way back in 2004 - that notebook weighed under 900g BTW.
And as for aesthetics, it's a personal thing. I for one, love the design of the ThinkPads, always have. Plus they have the best notebook keyboards money can buy. Don't get me wrong, I think the MacBook Air looks very good, but it's definitely a case of style over substance compared to the competition.
PK Son said on 23rd September 2008
Riyad, that's very interesting. As I've already said, I didn't know Sony came up with separated keys first, but you have to admit all those keyboards are starting to all look similar. Samsung didn't get where they are now with design. So, whether they copied Sony or Apple, they did copy. Which is very typical of Samsung. You should take a look at what they've tried to do with cell phones. They've tried to copy Motorola, iPhone, and LG. They might be leaders in the electronics world, but designing is not their strong point.
As for the other issues yes, it IS preference, and of course using Leopard is so much better than Windows, it would be great if Leopard was available on other computers too so Sony (which has great designs) can take more advantage of their style.
It does seem that MB air is oblivious to the real world, but as I've already stated, if you have your own little bubble of high tech, no wired LAN, no RGB ports, where everything is either bluetooth or Wifi, then MB air would shine more. Also it wouldn't seem under-featured at all. It was built for the wireless world, and t would function awesomely in a wireless world. This is not the case with the world yet, so Yes, it would be very annoying to have a laptop that doesn't care about real world issues.
There is nothing to disagree on facts, such as weight, size, battery life, or types of ports built in.
All I meant is that the MB air doesn't deserve the bashing most people give it. (I didn't even mean you, btw) Criticism, of course, that's why we have reviews and previews. But sometimes the criticism starts to seem more like nefarious animosity. (again, I don't mean you, just some mean people you can see drifting around) There will always be those kinds of people for every perspective there is, I just wanted to help tip the scales just a little bit and even it out.
Oh yeah, and one last thing, yes, other laptops support BT, and Wifi, I know, AND they have more USB ports and wired LAN, I know. But, as you've said as well, in the aesthetics department, MB air looks a lot better than other laptops. Mainly because they threw away all the wired ports and cables.
Anyways, I think the dead horse is tired of being beaten now, I agree with you, and I'm sure you understand what I mean as well, so..
Andy said on 23rd September 2008
How very civilised. :)
Anyhoo, just in case any of you chaps didn't already see it, we've also got an exclusive hands-on of the other new X-Series Samsung laptop, the X460: http://www.trustedreviews.com/notebooks/review/2008/09/23/Samsung-X460-14-1in-Notebook---Exclusive-Preview/p1
Riyad said on 23rd September 2008
PK Son - Thanks for the measured and balanced comment. I do know what you mean. For instance, I know people that hate Apple products, just because they're Apple products, no matter how good they are.
My dislike of the MacBook Air stems mainly from the fact that I know Apple could have done a better job and made it applicable to a real world audience as well as Apple fans. I used to shamelessly wind up Benny when he was at TR for being an Apple fan boy, knowing full well that I had bought far more Apple products than he had - I just couldn't help myself :) I was looking forward to the Air right up to the point it was launched.
Ultimately, for the casual notebook user the MacBook Air is a fine machine, and one which is very nice to use.
Now, it's 3:20am in Japan and I really need to try to get some sleep before wandering around Akihabara tomorrow!
TL1210 said on 25th September 2008
I find it funny PK mentioned about Samsung design isn't their strong point.
I think this IS defiantly their strong point.. look at X360, its lighter than a macbook and fully featured! if that is not well designed i don't know is..lol
and as for copying other manufacturers..well people copy each other all the time.. for example how many people have jumped on the netbook bandwagon?
Also, I've lost count of the number of "World's first" news related to Samsung on Trusted Reviews. ;)
Steve said on 21st October 2008
Any chance of a review??
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Wow deja-vue!
Ah yes it's identical to the LG P300
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4296
The keyboard and mouse pad is a bit different but it looks the same and both includes an external optical drive.